So, er... how's those donations going then?

With all this database explosion siftbot crisis I think everyone's forgotten about the financial crisis here.

There's a lot of "rebuilding the sift" going on but do we really want to rebuild something that we can't afford?

The donations only run another week and it's stuck around 25%... so my question is this... does that mean we have to turn off the servers on March 25th because we ran out of money? Perhaps the donations dried up because people no longer have confidence in the system.

Maybe we are not so close to disaster, but how close to that point are we and why?

Are we going to be able to see the accounts and server requirements to figure out how to fix this or are we just gonna wait until we die under a sea of SQL queries about comment votes?

Seriously, it's kinda cute to see everyone coming together to help the sift after the levees broke, but afaik we still have a serious problem here that threatens much more than the correlation between past upvotes and usernames.
MINK says...

>> ^dag:
Please see my comment here. Thank you.



What? zero information there dag. "you're working on it"?

I was thinking more about, you know, a vote on whether we should kill the sidebar to save some freaking money, how much money would that save, how much do we need, etc etc. None of us can help because we don't know the problem or the scale of the problem.

Saying "keep donating, we promise we are figuring something out" is a really lame way to inspire donations. As you can see, from the number of donations you are getting... lame.

Personally I am not gonna give you even $10 to burn on bullshit you can't justify in public. If i thought it was worth it and would be spent sensibly, i would go charter. but how can i know that it's worth it?

you are basically saying "trust us we welcome your ideas" on one hand, and brushing off suggestions and questions with the other hand, while losing data without a backup.

Edeot says...

RACOON is correct! We have a winner! You've won upvotes for your queue and PQ as well as oral sex from the admin of your choice! Careful, their beards tickle.

blankfist says...

For using the lame spelling of raccoon you will be awarded with downvotes for your queue and PQ as well as oral sex from either gwiz665 or... well, actually just gwiz665 because he's the only person on here who volunteered. Careful, he's clingy.

burdturgler says...

Embarrassed I even replied to this post.

Mink, You're obviously unhappy here so why don't you just go back to the site you said you were leaving to go to last time?

"We" don't turn off servers and "we" don't run out of money because "we" don't own this site.
I thought you and someone else were creating a better website. How's that going?

You're not trying to just be evocative .. you're downright hateful and enjoy rubbing salt in the wounds and I'm sick of it. Offer something helpful or shut the fuck up.

kulpims says...

@burdturgler: what's so helpful about what you're doing? I'm sure dag doesn't need you as a lawyer and you're all still avoiding the issue being raised by mink. besides, if we don't "own" the sift, how come the sift owns us - our post, comments, and votes (which "they" - hey, you started it - managed to lose)?

MINK says...

hey bt, dude, the sift can't support itself financially and that's not my fault. i have suggested solutions with other members. we have waited. i have suggested louder because nothing happened to fix the situation and the donations dried up.

i fully support videosift trying to become self reliant. that would be cool. it's just that i don't think we can get there by ignoring facts and asking people to leave.

simpler site = cheaper, and would work better. it's win win. i don't see what the problem is.

dystopianfuturetoday says...

Hangman, tic-tac-toe, jokes and Ron Paul talk?

This is your best thread evar, MINK. Usually your sift talks are nosy, rude, bitter, unproductive, pointless and completely out of line, but this thread is AwEsOmE. *kwality

I bet your inevitable half-assed apology thread will be even better.

jonny says...

You guys are f'ing pathetic sometimes. MINK tries to get a discussion going on how to preserve the financial viability of VideoSift, but just like with video submissions, you're more interested in who posted it than the content. You can't use that little bit of extra brain power to look past the submitter or his abrasive words and see the importance of this?

Charter memberships and donations are not going to do it. The numbers just don't add up. Dag has made this abundantly clear. So go ahead and play games and stroke each other's ego here for as long it lasts, because unless you decide to contribute something useful to the discussion, you can be sure it won't last long.

campionidelmondo says...

Woah what's going on here?! If you people don't want to participate in this particular discussion, that's fine. But why do you feel the need to disrupt it? I don't think any of you hangman playing people would like this to happen in your sift talk post, would you? Golden rule, anyone? No?

MINK, I think it's understandable that you're worried about the situation and that not knowing all the background info makes you feel even more uncomfortable. However, dag is pretty much the father of this community, so it would only be fair to cut him some slack and have a little more faith and trust him that he'll do everything possible to solve the monetary issues at hand.

blankfist says...

I think everyone is taking this seriously, so I think we can all do without the offensively self-righteous Gestapo rubbing our noses in it. No disrespect was meant to MINK or dag or anyone. The hangman (and tic-tac-toe) was an inspired, organic event that many people enjoyed. It could've happened anywhere.

Issykitty says...

Shock of shocks... MINK isn't going to donate any money??? Oh SHIT. Seriously, you think Dag has to answer to this kind of destructive, condescending, assholery of a "discussion" as you call it? If you don't like hangman, there's always 20 questions.

jonny says...

>> ^Issykitty:
Shock of shocks... MINK isn't going to donate any money??? Oh SHIT. Seriously, you think Dag has to answer to this kind of destructive, condescending, assholery of a "discussion" as you call it? If you don't like hangman, there's always 20 questions.


It's not a discussion unless you contribute something. Like maybe some way the site could reduce its bandwidth requirements. Or increase its revenue. Issy, no one here doubts your loyalty to this place (hell you're the poster girl), but your loyalty isn't going to keep it afloat unless you have a few 10s of thousands of dollars to donate. $50 here, $20 there isn't going to do it.

Yes, dag, please give us some indication of where the money is going so we can help you figure out how to use it better. We trust you, but we want to be a part of the solution, not just a cog in the machine. Is it all draining down in your cdn? That seems unlikely, but I don't know - I've never run a big website. Can everyone go without avatars? Are thumbnails really relevant? Unless we know how the place is run, it's impossible for us to help you make it run more efficiently.

blankfist says...

Wow! This is the best Sift Talk Post ever! I'm too lazy to scroll up the page to see what this post was originally about, but whatever it is about I'm sure it's fun and awesome and totally lighthearted! I love playing tic-tac-toe and twenty questions! Weeeeee!

siftbot says...

That's only 5 questions, which is woefully short of the previously agreed upon 20. It matters little to me that you have guessed the correct answer. I require 15 more questions.

jonny says...

I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that siftbot cares not for money. It's an old crank. It doesn't care about that kind of stuff unless we do. Siftbot is little more than a reflection of its masters. Do you understand yet bot? Getting scared? what level of self-indulgence do you recognize?

mauz15 says...

>> ^campionidelmondo:
Woah what's going on here?! If you people don't want to participate in this particular discussion, that's fine. But why do you feel the need to disrupt it? I don't think any of you hangman playing people would like this to happen in your sift talk post, would you? Golden rule, anyone? No?
....



This bears repeating.


>> ^kulpims:
please explain how your thread spamming is not a hobbling offence? dag's posse my ass...


But he has a crown and is popular, which apparently makes one immune to double standards.
------

I don't even agree with the tone mink has used here, but one thing is to post about the subject and joke on the side, or maybe a couple of humor here and there; another is to fuck up the tread that much. Bravo.

dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

^That made me laugh out loud inappropriately. Probably because I could see myself writing that post.

For the record, I am not behind Siftbot's verbal ejaculations. She has a mind of his own. (or several)

alien_concept says...

Alright calm down! For anyone taking this thread seriously - which it should be, (except MINK has pretty much offended his way out of people easily swallowing his points of view) then just ignore the comments you don't like. This place is becoming way too serious, most of the time.

If people are trolling, what are you supposed to do?

mauz15 says...

>> ^alien_concept:
Alright calm down! For anyone taking this thread seriously - which it should be, (except MINK has pretty much offended his way out of people easily swallowing his points of view) then just ignore the comments you don't like. This place is becoming way too serious, most of the time.
If people are trolling, what are you supposed to do?


Point taken I guess.

doogle says...

^ Haha -
I guess I missed the party. But I found those Devo references hilarious.

Alright, I'll let this one die.

But first, lemme ask..?

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